Writing advice from an interview with Elizabeth Strout and Bates College president Clayton Spencer by Emily McConville.

Write in scenes

“I just make a mess,” Strout told Spencer, who had asked her if she had a writing routine. “I’ve learned at this point that I don’t write from beginning to end — because I can’t. It becomes too wooden. So I’ve learned to write by scenes.”

“If I can make a scene that is real, then I leave it on the table. If I don’t, it gets tossed on the floor. That continues until eventually the scenes that have what I consider a heartbeat will start to connect.

“That’s why I never worry about plot, because it will take care of itself.”

Look to theater

Strout’s two favorite classes at Bates were a criminology course with sociology professor Sawyer Sylvester, and a theater class with Andrucki, who guided his students through the work of classic American playwrights like Eugene O’Neill and Tennessee Williams.

“He loved those people so much that I loved them,” Strout said.

And she learned a valuable lesson from their plays. “Reading dialogue was very helpful,” she said.

“When you write dialogue in a story or a novel, there has to be a translation between what people are actually saying to the page. You can’t write what people are actually saying, because it’s too boring. There are too many ‘uhhs.’ You’ve got to translate it to the page in a way that sounds authentic.”

Embody others

“My entire life, I have always wondered what it felt like to be another person,” Strout said.

“I was rather young when I realized, I’m never going to know. I’m only going to see things through my own eyes, and you’re only going to see things through your own eyes. I was so frustrated by that, and I’m still frustrated.

“I have always wondered what it felt like to be another person,” Strout said during her appearance at Bates. “That is the engine that has propelled me forward in my life. I have listened unbelievably carefully. I have observed all the time, I’m listening and I’m watching and I’m thinking. Even on the subway, I watch somebody and I think, ‘Physically what does that sweater feel like?’ It’s so automatic with me.

“When I was young and reading fiction for the first time, I read something — I don’t remember what it was — but I thought, ‘I’ve had that thought.’ I recognized myself in the character that I was reading. I understood through fiction that we get a chance to understand what it’s like to be another person. That’s what I’m trying to do.”

Let characters show up

An audience member, picking up on how Olive Kitteridge came back to Strout in Norway, asked if that’s how she comes up with all of her characters.

Yes and no, Strout said. “Even within a story, the characters will differ in how they show up. Pete Barton showed up ever so gently, because he’s such a gentle person. He just hung out quietly next to me for a long time and I realized — ‘Oh, okay, Pete, let’s wash the windows.’ Olive, because she’s so Olive, showed up with a force. It’s because that’s who she is.”

Keep writing and keep failing

A Bates student asked Strout how she persisted in her writing, when many young writers struggle to wrangle themselves into a routine.

“You just have to fail,” Strout told him. “Believe me, I know that because I failed for years and years and years. I couldn’t believe how long I kept failing. I really was a little bit intrigued by it. But I kept going.”

But Strout described her own writing process as an abiding need, not something she has to force herself to do.

“It’s funny,” she said. “This woman came over one time when I had first moved to New York. She saw the typewriter on the dining room table and the messy handwriting, and she said, ‘I really admire your discipline.’ It didn’t feel like I was disciplined. It just felt like I needed to do it. There’s a difference.

“I think of discipline as someone saying, ‘Okay, I am going to exercise five days a week no matter what.’ I don’t have that discipline, you see. Writing is, I just had to do it. I had to do it. So I kept doing it.”

Let sentences rise to meet you

“I don’t want to get you in trouble,” Strout told Mark Su ’22, of Beijing. Su, an English major accustomed to close, analytical reading of text, had asked her how best to read a book.

“Well,” Strout corrected herself, “I won’t get you in trouble — but I don’t want to get your professors in trouble. I think the best way to read something is to just read it.

“As a child, I would wander through the library. I had no idea who these different writers were, but I would pull a book from the shelf, and once in a while it was almost like the text of the page would rise up to me.

“Years later, I would realize that’s Norman Mailer. It was interesting, that sense that sometimes these sentences would rise to meet me, and I’ve never forgotten that.

“I think that when you read something, allow yourself to think, ‘What am I feeling? What’s the experience that I’m having? Are these sentences rising to meet me, or not?’

“If they’re not and you’ve got to write a paper about it, good luck.”

Let books teach you about others

Su also asked Strout about the characteristics of a good book.

“For me, the characteristic of a good book is to feel that I have been in the company of another person who allowed me to realize things about myself but also allowed me to see things about other people, that I would not have known about other people,” Strout replied.

Don’t stop writing

What advice would you have for young writers? asked an admiring audience member, who happened to be Strout’s friend Janet Mills, the governor of Maine.

Strout didn’t skip a beat. “If you really want to be a writer, then you just do it,” she said, “and you just keep doing it and you never ever stop doing it.

“I would just keep writing, and writing, and reading good sentences, and write, and read, and write, and read, and do not stop.”

And, Strout concluded, “If you do stop, then I guess that’s okay, because you probably didn’t really want to be a writer. But if you really want to be a writer, don’t stop.”

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